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Old 10-22-2009, 01:16 PM
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Did anyone have success and what setting was used? (for rear tire wear)
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:45 AM
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Dear all 5 tyre sufferers.

I have a 2006 Sport 5 2.0 litre - I am now at 29000 miles and on the 3rd set of tyres.

I had tyres ON THE METAL at 13,500 miles and all I got was a small 'good will' jesture.

I put it down to geometry and all that - the dealer did the geometry, now I am comming again up to the metal on my 5 sport. Both front and rears.

I have contacted MMUK today and they have told me - 'the car is now out of warranty mate...'

I didn't realise that so many people have had issues with this until I accidentally googled the problem.

I will go to Watch Dog and get my tyres delivered to MMUK HQ with a camera team.

I am fed up of paying 130 quid a corner every 10k miles - I have had impreza's and GTI's where the tyres last longer (even fronts)

This is totally unnaceptable - these vehicles should be recalled & fixed properly.

I now wont rest until Mazda are brought to account over this.

I have 3 children in the vehicle and this vehicle on the Dunlop 2050 V SP tyres is DANGEROUS.

Please contact me at jeff.ayland@tiscali.co.uk to make the case for ourselves to Watchdog and get something done in finality.

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Old 11-09-2009, 07:06 AM
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Has anyone got anywhere with watchdog yet ??

Watched it last week about cracking BMW wheel rims but I think the Mazda 5 tyre wear is much more important from a safety point of view.
 
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Old 11-09-2009, 12:47 PM
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Hi Jeff, sounds like that is the only way forward with this.

On a different note has anybody experienced problems with the boost sensor for the turbo, we have now had 2 go, on top of the tyre issue I feel that this is about as much hazard as anybody should put up with, nothing like losing power on the M6 at 75 to focus the mind!
 
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:42 AM
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The fix that worked for me
I will make this as short as possible, my Mazda dealership does not do alignments so they use a local alignment specialist (that’s all he does) I had the tire wear issue on the rear tires. He reset my car to the Mazda recommended setting (even if they were in spec he reset them to best setting) and the right rear could not fall within spec, so Mazda replaced the rear arm (under warranty, I had to pay for the alignment only) with a new one that corrected the problem. He also has replacement arms that are adjustable, that he has had to use in the case that the rear alignment is so far out that an OEM arm will not work. The reason his alignment works so well is he checks it loaded as well (checks it with weight in the car) with the low suspension of the Mazda sometimes if the alignment isn’t set correct when you have passengers in the car it will be way out of spec, my rear tire was out almost 1\2 inch at the top with no one in it and got worst when passengers got added.
All I can say is a good alignment shop is the key; find some old guy that worked on race cars or do custom lowering. Nothing against the Muffler Man but they do mufflers.

My Mazda 5 now handles way better with snow tires than before the alignment with my 17 inch tires. (yes thats sad)
Here is his information they are located in Woodstock Ontario Patten Alignment 519-539-1646
If needed the adjustable arm is available from Aligncraft part #67420 http://www.aligncraft.com/catform.html

Funny how two of the same parts from Mazda are so different \

Hope this helps
 
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:53 PM
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Default Where's the mazda 5 front tyre eating forum gone?

I can't seem to find the huge mazda 5 sport (petrol and diesel) front tyre inner edge eating forum. You know the one where I claim that Mazda have not done their sums when it comes to fitting 17" wheels to the 2008 and 2009 Mazda 5 Sport. For all you out there with this issue. Mine are balding again on the front inner edges (Dunlop Sport Maxx, this time) you should contact Watchdog (UK only) and also read and fill in the enclosed documents so that Kent Trading stanards can put some pressure on them (As SMMT have failed by being fobbed off with history out of date rear wheel alignment problem) Copy the comp-laint to watchdog and your local MP after posting by Record delivery to the dealer you purchased you Mazda 5 from. Watch dog are aware of this and if enough complaints may 'run with it'.
Hmph! I'm afraid I had to cut these down into a note (*.txt) document because this site limits docs to about 20k. You can also talk to Kent trading standards on www.consumerdirect.gov.uk or 08454 040506 The reason it has to go to Kent is because that's where MMUK are based. So don't just winge, complain officially and write your complaint. Someone will die one day because an unsuspecting driver and there family will be driving the Mazda 5 when the front tyre dishes out from inner wall failure, even though there will be plenty of 'legal tread'. It's a hidden wear issue and the only contact with the road and currently the Coefficient of friction with this must be well less than it should be. Don't be put off my bull about it having been investigated this is a new unrecognised front tyre wear problem and nothing to do with tyres. The camber is too negative. That is my humble conclusion drawn from experience, feel, monitoring and ruling out as feeble excuses over or under inflation, toe-in or toe-out (alignment issues). This only happens on the 17" wheel
 
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:30 PM
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You have an older Mazda 5 from the US with a rear tyre wear issue. I'm after solution for UK 2008/09 Mazda 5 Sport (2.0 litre petrol or diesel). I think US spec is very different to UK Spec.
I made a boob here. I couldn't find this thread I was looking for a different title (not a sticky). I just posted a subject there that I must copy and paste to here for all new Mazda 5 Sport drivers who see that they have the front tyre inner edge wear:-

I can't seem to find the huge mazda 5 sport (petrol and diesel) front tyre inner edge eating forum. It had mazda 5 uk tyre wear in the title, I thought. You know the one where I claim that Mazda have not done their sums when it comes to fitting 17" wheels to the 2008 and 2009 Mazda 5 Sport. For all you out there with this issue. Mine are balding again on the front inner edges (Dunlop Sport Maxx, this time) you should contact Watchdog (UK only) and also read and fill in the enclosed documents so that Kent Trading standards can put some pressure on them (As SMMT have failed by being fobbed off with history out of date rear wheel alignment problem) Copy the complaint to watchdog and your local MP after posting by Record delivery to the dealer you purchased you Mazda 5 from. Watch dog are aware of this and if enough complaints may 'run with it'.
Hmph! I'm afraid I had to cut these down into a note (*.txt) document because this site limits docs to about 20k. You can also talk to Kent trading standards on www.consumerdirect.gov.uk or 08454 040506 The reason it has to go to Kent Trading Standards is because that's where MMUK are based. So don't just winge, complain officially and write your complaint. Someone will die one day because an unsuspecting driver and there family will be driving the Mazda 5 when the front tyre dishes out from inner wall failure, even though there will be plenty of 'legal tread'. It's a hidden wear issue and the only contact with the road and currently the Coefficient of friction with this must be well less than it should be. Don't be put off my bull about it having been investigated this is a new unrecognised front tyre wear problem and nothing to do with tyres. The camber is too negative. That is my humble conclusion drawn from experience, feel, monitoring and ruling out as feeble excuses over or under inflation, toe-in or toe-out (alignment issues). This only happens on the 17" wheels/tyres.
 
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:36 AM
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Any news on this ???

Originally Posted by samkane
I am in the process of taking Mazda to court over this tyre wear problem. This is my second Mazda. I originally had an 05 model and went through 6 sets of tyres. After many long phone calls and letters with Mazda and the dealer (none of which rectified the problem). We traded it in for a 08 model after being guaranteed by the dealership that the problems with the design have been rectified after 07 models. Our car went in for its 12k service and the garage called to say (surprise,surprise) that both front tyres had worn down to the metal on the inside edge. I have now had an independent report carried out by a member of the Association of Automotive Engineers and Assessors, which states that in his opinion "there is an inherent design fault in the vehicle''

I am having a meeting tomorrow with the car dealer as part of the pre action protocol, but in a letter from them to my solicitor they state that they, and Mazda have no knowledge of any faults with the Mazda 5!

I am going to go all the way to court with this now, so if anyone would like to send me their details with a short history of the problems that have had, and copies of any correspondence to Mazda along with photographic evidence, I would be MORE THAN happy to take it along to court with me. I am incensed at Mazda for the total lack of responsibility to their customers, and amazed that as of yet, there have been no deaths as a result of this, although I am sure it will only be a matter of time.

I will keep you posted on the outcome of the legal proceedings, and hope to hear from lots of you regarding your own dealings with this.
 
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:55 AM
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Hi,

I've just signed up to this forum today, initially because of a condensation concern, but I was horrified to see this tyre wear sticky thread. I don't have time to read through all 600 messages in this thread so can anyone give me some guidance on what steps to take in which order?

E.G:
1. Ensure pressures are ok,
2. Get tracking checked
3. Complain to Mazda
4. Take Mazda to court

My story is that I bought an 09 ex-demonstrator diesel sport with 5500 on the clock back in July, in September I got a nail in one of my front tyres (I was on 8000 miles at this point) I took it to a tyre place for repair and was told both front tyres were bald on the inside edge. I was quite shocked by this and the garage said this kind of wear was fairly typical on MPVs. Shopping around for replacement tyres I found that actually the Mazda dealer could replace them with the same Dunlops for the same price as Kwik-fit and ATS, so I went with them, paid £250 quid, felt miserable and blamed myself (believing that it was my fault and I'd had them under-inflated as it was suggested I had).

Since then I've kept the pressures at 35psi (slightly above the recommended value for two passengers), checking them every week. I'm now on 10500 miles and am terrified of getting this wear on the insides again and spending £500 a year on tyres.

I'm going to ask the Mazda dealer to check the tyre wear on the 12000 mile service, and if it's worn on the inside edge I'll ask that they fix it or put new tyres on without charge (and give me free tyres every service for as long as I have the car).

From the posts I've read on this thread it sounds like the problem doesn't happen on every Mazda 5 Sport, but it happens on a lot of them and when it does it's impossible to fix. What is the best course of action to take?
 
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Old 12-12-2009, 02:17 PM
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mazda will only picture and measure the tyre tread depth at the 'legal' 3/4 center footprint . This will, of course, only show little wear as the the front inner edge is taking the majority, apparently, of the wear and is in a place you cannot accurately measure, being on the corner/inner wall. Mazda will play it down or plead ignorance. Because admitting anything about this issue will be tant amount to '...after the fact..' in the event of a causalty in the future. They may even have been given an internal memo of 'denial'. These people know how to search on the web and read car reveiws of the cars they sell, so it is bull if they claim '...never heard of front tyre wear sir...' or '.. that rear tyre alignment problem has been cured sir..' which is the deflecting answer to the older rear wear problem and nothing to do with this unaccepted or recognised front tyre wear on UK 2008/09 mazda 5 sports (17" wheels). I have a letter here (to me and my MP) from Robert Hancock, customer assistance manager, that says he has never heard of a front tyre wear issue on front of Mazda 5 Sport. My question for people here on the Forum, Has anyone here been in contact with Robert Hancock or has he been in court to claim this?.
My tyres are about on the limit again (and only days away from a visit to kwikfit). my car was in on Thursday to have the second rear suspension damper replaced (n/s was replaced earlier this year). But they refused to replace as a pair as it was a warranty repair. They also fobbed me off initially this time by saying the leaking oil is not necessarily a warrenty repair and I have to wait until it causes handling problems and knocks. But seriously by then I could have had a crashed and died. Also naturally it would have been an MOT failure had it been in for a test and if I was paying they would have insisted I replace as a pair (rightly so). Again another example of the lack of help or customer care from Mazda. We can only vote with our feet when time to replace the car, or write a reveiw of the Mazda 5 Sport. Or next time I'll get a Mazda 5 TS2 but with a 2litre engine (ie the 16" wheeled version).
 

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