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Some more work on the new to me Mazda 2 to Get All New Fluids in the Car & develop a Benchmark
The Mazda 2 came with a newly fitted (2 weeks in the car <100km) Replacement Radiator.
“Brand: FloKool, Model: RAD1476” (suits Auto), Aluminium Core, resin plastic Top & Bottom.
Enquires through Parts Supplier to Manufacturer confirm it has SILICON Gaskets between the Aluminium Core & the resin plastic Top & Bottom.
STICKER on RADIATOR - FloKool Part No RAD1476 Date Code AUG2003 MADE IN INDONESIA
Description
Tank Material Plastic
Core Material Aluminium
Core Width 555mm
Core Height 350mm
Core Thickness 24mm
Oil Cooler Size 275mm
Core Rows 1
Developed for the New Zealand and Australian market
Built to meet or exceed OE specs
Superior cooling ability
Light weight
2-year or 50,000km warranty (whichever occurs first)
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The Mazda 2 came with FL22 from new Japan Factory.
A MAZDA Radiator Cap ND 1.1. FL22 is fitted
(noted AUD$67 from Dealership Parts, expensive compared to Toyota parts.)
Pg8-17 MAZDA 2 OWNERS MANUAL "Soft Demin Water in the Coolant
Top up with the correct Coolant Mixture, Don’t use Water Only
Engine has ALUMINIUM Parts & MUST be protected by an ethylene-glycol-based coolant NO alcohol, methanol, Borate or Silicate"
########### Previous owner had put RED SCA House brand coolant in the car.
SCA Long Life Red Coolant Concentrate 5 Litre
Details https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/p/...re/591864.html
Features:
Premium quality organic acid technology (OAT) offers long life anti-freeze/anti-boil protection
Carboxylate technology (a SUB FORM of 2-EHA) coolant contains no silicates, borates, phosphates, nitrites, nitrates or amines
Red Type "A" concentrate
Temperature Range (50% Mix): Freeze -36.2°C, Boil 108.2°C
??????? So off down the Coolant Rabbit Hole to work out if it was suitable for use in the MAZDA 2.
2-Ethylhexanoic acid = 2-EHA
SCA Tech Advice confirms their RED & GREEN SCA House Brand Coolant contains a small amount of 2-EHA.....does not disclose that on the bottle
Carboxylate technology (a SUB FORM of 2-EHA)
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MAZDA Genuine FL22 Premix 55/45
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5
Understand FL22 is a P-HOAT 2nd Generation & does not contain 2-EHA, however its formulation has changed over time.
Detail from the FL22 5Litre Container Labelling & MSDS
Refer to SDS 464322
Bar Code 9310084030543
P002159/F
3415489
Contains: 451ml/L Ethylene Glycol 10mg/kg of bittering agent Denatonium Benzoate
Mazda FL22 is a premixed formula ready to use. Do not add additional water to this coolant
Do not store in vehicle once opened
Keep out of Reach of Children....& Muppets Manufactured in Australia for MAZDA AUSTRALIA
Packed in Australia by Castrol Australia Pty Ltd
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5 5lt 55/45 Premix: AUD$180
Fig[1] Mazda Genuine FL22 Oz Front
Fig[2] Mazda Genuine FL22 Oz Rear
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FL22 coolant is a long-life coolant, 10yrs / 250,000kms
Absolute maximum to first change "in theory" NOTED it is outside the warranty period & beyond the typical first ownership so not a MAZDA Dealership problem..... How many 10yr old Mazda's are being driven by 1st owner & still being serviced by Mazda Dealerships or an independent workshop using MAZDA Specific Fluids ie Not Multi-Vehicle Fluids?
Suggest less than 5% of the new car sales, most leave "MAZDA Dealership Service Schemes" at 5Years or 7Years at the end of the "Capped Price Service" schedule & less than 160,000kms.
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MAZDA Genuine FL22 Premix 55/45
MAZDA Part No: K018 W0 122L5
Ingredients: Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1), Water (7732-18-5), Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6), Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3), Proprietary Inhibitors (NJTSRN 217).
No 2-EHA
MAZDA FL22 Coolant "MSDS 87032_3-23 Dated 2023_01_02"
Product Name: Mazda Extended Life Premium Pre‐diluted Antifreeze/Coolant TYPE FL‐22
SDS No: 87032
Mazda Canada Inc. Vogell Road 55, Richmond Hill – Canada, L4B 3K5
Ethylene glycol (107-21-1) 30% - 60% [then on pg8 states 50% by Wt]
Hydrated inorganic acid, organic acid salts (Not Available) <5%
Diethylene glycol (111-46-6) 1% to 3%
pH: 7 to 9
Boiling Point 79 Deg C?? (possibly the "non pressurised Temp" else the spec is different to Oz)
NA GHS SDS 2015 (Can, US)
########### https://penriteoil.com.au/products/g...nt-concentrate Penrite Green GLYSANTIN G48
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
HYBRID (HOAT - Hybrid Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Contains Borate
https://penriteoil.com.au/products/r...nt-concentrate Penrite RED
GLYSANTIN G40
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
Advanced OAT (Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine, Borate and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Contains Silicate
https://penriteoil.com.au/products/b...nt-concentrate Penrite BLUE
GLYSANTIN G30
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
Advanced OAT (Organic Acid Technology)
Silicate, Phosphate, Amine, Borate and Nitrite free
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C
Reportedly Penrite Green G48 is recommended for the Mazda 2
Problem is Penrite Green contains Borate & both Penrite Green & Penrite BLUE Coolant contains a small amount of 2-EHA = 2-Ethylhexanoic acid
########### Burson Long Life Blue Coolant
Ethylene Glycol Based
Part no: BBCC5L
Contains: % by Wt. 1,2-Ethanediol (107-21-1) 30 ≤ 60%, Denatonium Benzoate (3734-33-6) <1%, *Non-hazardous ingredients Balance.
Ethylene Glycol: 1043g/lt
Denatonium Benzoate: 10mg/kg (Bittering Agent)
50/50 Anti Boil Protection: Plus 129 Deg C
Ph: 7.7Typ
Specific Gravity: 1.065 at 20°C typ.
MSDS: 19 September 2023
AS2108-2004 Engine Coolant Type A, ASTM D3306, BS6580:2010, JIS K2234-206 Class II
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FORD Motorcraft used to sell: Motorcraft Specialty Green VC-10-A2 Concentrate = FL22
However, that is no longer available in Oz & has been superseded by FORD Motorcraft YELLOW: FORD Motorcraft VC-13-G FIRNo 200142 Concentrated WSS_97B57_A1 01, YELLOW Coolant
Ethylene glycol (107-21-1), 2,2-Oxydiethanol (11-46-6), Sodium 2-ethylhexanoate (19766-89-3), Water (7732018-5); sodium neodecanoalte (31548-27-3).
50/50 Boil: +129 Deg C
Concentrate 3.78lt: AUD$70
########### Toyota Super Long Life PINK Coolant 50/50
Extended Life Japanese Coolant uses Phosphates for fast protection (no silicates) & a single organic acid (Sebacate) & other inhibitors.
No 2-EHA
Water (7732-18-5)
Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1)
Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6)
Sebacic Acid (111-20-6)
Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3)
Initial boiling point and boiling range : 108 °C (ASTM D1120)
pH : 7,7 (ASTM D1287)
The options are full flush, remove thermostat & blow out the block with compressed air & then up to 5.4lt required:
[a] Toyota Super Long Life PINK Coolant 50/50 Premix using 2 of 5lt = AUD$84
or
['b] FORD Motorcraft VC-13-G FIRNo 200142 Concentrate WSS_97B57_A1 01, YELLOW Coolant using 1 of 3.78lt = AUD$70
or
[c] MAZDA FL22 55/45 Premix using 2 of 5lt = AUD$360
Concentrate makes the flush & achieving a 50/50 outcome easier than 50/50 premix.
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So what are others doing when they are required to completely flush the MAZDA cooling system?
Are you paying AUD$360 for Mazda FL22 Premix to flush all of the previous coolant out?….surely not?
Thoughts?
Rob
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; 09-15-2024 at 08:59 AM.
I would drain & fully flush the whole cooling system with water. Refill with water, drive it for a day, drain it, flush it again and add about 4 litres of Penrite green concentrate coolant.
Thankyou for the reply Grim.
Your process WRT changing the coolant is similar to what I have in mind.
Interestingly, Independent Workshops that use Penrite Fluids have the same recommendation as it provides "the Penrite Warranty".
penriteoil.com.au/products/green-oem-coolant-concentrate Penrite Green GLYSANTIN G48 OEM-Coolant-Concentrate
Type 'A' Ethylene glycol, Anti-Freeze Anti-Boil
HYBRID (HOAT - Hybrid Organic Acid Technology)
Phosphate, Amine and Nitrite free.
50/50 Boil: +109 Deg C Was concerned that it contains Borate.
SFAIAA It also contains 2-EHA
Hi Grim,
When I was digging around on the forum I noted an older post from yourself:
"07-09-2014, 08:09 AM
grim_reaper Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Queensland Australia
Posts: 7,395 I've noticed in alot of Mazda's the coolant does go from green to yellow to brown ( not rusty) if not changed for a long long time. Also the overflow bottles/tanks will be stained too."
Do you have thoughts on Years/time to this challenge? would you say 7Yrs on FL22?
Is there a noticeable PH change when the coolant discolourisation occurs?
I notice Mazda's run hotter than Toyota (3SFE, 3SGE, 1ZZFE, 2ZRFE, 2AR-FE etc). Using Non contact Thermometer & Thermography Camera to benchmark against the OBD2 PID indicates the 2009 MAZDA 2 OBD2 PID is sufficiently accurate.
=>> Maybe this elevated Temperature 100 Deg C or more leads to evaporation of the Demin Water out of the "FL22 Coolant Mixture" in the Non Pressurised Overflow/Header Tank?
...& Probably Why the later MAZDA Cars have the Pressurisation Cap on the Overflow/Header Tank instead of on Top of the Radiator?
As I don't have a high pressure air line to flush out the old coolant from the engine block, I'm inclined to just keep adding distilled water, running up the RPM to open thermostat and circulate, re-drain, then repeat until it drains out clear. Either that or take it to a shop who will do your proposed method.
WRT "PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Noted that it is $68 for 5lt plus shipping?
I have not used JNKB-C5.
=>> Toyota Super Long Life Coolant PartNo 08889_80431 is cheaper, an excellent product & readily available in stock from the Local Toyota Dealer.
"Recommended for use in Honda, Hyundai, Infiniti, Kia, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru and Suzuki vehicles"
=>> Interesting that Toyota is not Mentioned. "Up to 5 years or 250,000kms of service protection."
=>> I'd still choose (& have used) Toyota Super Long Life Coolant PartNo 08889_80431 instead.
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Per: DIY MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt ZY-VE Coolant Change
" [38] Decide if a 3rd or 4th Demin Water Flush is required
Pg10-5 MAZDA 2 Owners Manual 8AB6 Form No. 8AB6-EO-08J
"MAZDA 2 with Auto Transmission = 5.0Litres Capacity"
?? Is that Plus “The Header Reservoir”? Or is the 5.0lt Capacity the total volume including the “The Header Reservoir”?
Noted 400ml is contained in the “Header Reservoir” at the Full Line
If we consider 5.0lt Capacity as the Total Volume including the “The Header Reservoir”
5.0 Lt - 0.4Lt = 4.6lt in Block, Radiator, Heater Core & Hoses
The Demin Flushes reduce by dilution the Residual Concentration of Initial Fluid:
1st Demin Flush 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 18.48% Concentration of Initial Fluid
2nd Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 3.41% Concentration of Initial Fluid
3rd Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 0.631% Concentration of Initial Fluid
4th Demin Flush leaves 4.6-3.75 = 0.85lt residual, which leaves 0.117% Concentration of Initial Fluid If you are DIY, you have the time & you intend to keep the car,....well you can do what you like. If you are paying someone to do this for you.....time is money.....& You get what you get.
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Rob
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; 09-15-2024 at 02:04 AM.
"PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Noted that it is $68 for 5lt plus shipping?
I assume so, although shipping should be similar from any seller for the same 5L weight. The PrixMax JNK Blue is concentrated so it will make ~10L Compare that to the price for 5L of pre-mixed (50:50) Toyota Super Long Life costing say $43, $68 is less than double that price so it is cheaper once diluted. Granted one might prefer a pre-mix over a concentrate.
Thanks for the link to the dilution calculations. Mine will be different as I have a Mazda 3 =>larger block => more flushes with demineralised water required to achieve the same % remnant of old coolant. I got my 2013 model 2nd hand last year, The reservoir is marked FL22 and the coolant mix colour is greeny blue meaning I reckon the prior owner did not flush the green out of the block and just added some blue after draining once.
Toyota SLLC 5lt 50/50 was AUD$36 ea when you buy four (4)
Only used 1 on the Mazda 2.....have just been driving it.....still deciding if it is a Keeper.....If it is a Keeper it will get a 2nd Drain & then Refill with, Toyota SLLC 5lt 50/50 which will move it from 40.8% to 48.3%.
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WRT "PrixMax JNK Blue Extended Life Antifreeze/Coolant (P-OAT) 5L Bottle JNKB-C5"
Use their shipping estimate, .....for my location:
=$68 + $22.85 = $90.85
So in my case Pickup Toyota SLLC from the Toyota Dealer = Cheaper.
Do your own calcs on % residual for a Mazda3 & post a separate thread detailing how you get on.
MAZDA FL22 is Straight Green
Greeny Blue = You need to flush your Coolant System.
Rob.
Last edited by OZCorolla_x2; 09-15-2024 at 08:14 AM.
The PrixMax contains salts of 2-EHA (attached), Listed as Sodium 2-ethylhexanoate and Potassium 2-ethylhexanoate. Then I noticed the Ford yellow listed above also has Sodium 2-ethylhexanoate so I looked and those salts have plasticising effects on rubber seals per this thread. this leaves me confused because I'm sure I read that the Ford Yellow was OK elsewhere (being a replacement for their green). More searching uncovers the root of the issues dates back to a class action against Dex-Cool//GM and this Wikipedia entry lists 2-EHA and its salts as a problem.
So I kept searching as I'm sure there were more options than the Toyota SLLC or the Mazda FL22 premixes. And I think I've found a one more reasonably priced (item 3) and 2 more way too exy (items 4 and 5)
Ravenol HJC (I suspect it will be exy though given 1.5L size)
Valvoline Zerex Asian (green, blue or red) per here. - available via Amazon or eBay in Oz but too exy at $150 for 1 Gallon premix as shipped from O/S .
To uncover entry 3. I spoke with the in-house chemical expert at Liquid Intelligence and he claims (and per SDS) none of their coolants have 2-EHA. They are P-OAT and free from silicates, borates etc their Green 102 is allegedly closest to FL22. 5L concentrate for A$40 per 5L container plus $20 shipping for 1,2 or 3 (5L containers). (edit: update on 17-9-24 , They sent me the most comprehensive coolant SDS I've seen to date - no attempt to hide any proprietary ingredients, it shows NO 2-EHA (nor its salts), and the organic acid used is the same as in FL22 and SLCC - named Sebacic acid, (instead of 2-EHA). I purchased 5L of the stuff)
I wonder what Mazda service centres are doing ? IIRC the service manual doesn't instruct to flush with water nor do a pressure flush to evacuate the block, so how can they get the old coolant out and the concentration correct if they use their own FL22 premix ?
Last edited by PJ_; 09-17-2024 at 06:01 AM.
Reason: including SDS for Liquid Inteligence coolant
03-07-2024, 07:38 AM
2009 MAZDA 2 DE 1.5lt Auto - Coolant Choice
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