i want jean cretien back LOL. you all may know who he is. after him the whole canadian government went to hell

 

I got out of politics after I saw this movie, http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ It has changed my thinking about America. The movie is long , but once you start watching it, you can't stop. I have also visited the site http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ and had my eyes opened to what will happen when there is not one drop of oil. I am a conspiracist so you guys can all call me crazy and a whack job.

 

McCain

 

I belong to another car forum where we have a seperate poitical forum from the rest of the car conversation.
Who I am voting for is not important, nor should the vote for a president be such.
Why do I say this?
Simple, The president in all reality weilds very little power.
The power lies with the members of congress.
When you hear either of the candidates say this and that, it is just talk.
One says he won't raise taxes on one person or buisness, while the other says he will give 95% a tax break.
The truth is, neither one of them can do **** without approval from the almighty congress.
The president can make his feelings known to the congress concerning a particular bill but, they have the final word, not the president.
If they pass a bill, and the president vetos the bill, they can muster up enough votes to overide the veto.
Now, in picking a surpreme court justice, the same applies.
The president can nominate his choice but, the final confirmation is up to the congress.
The president is a figurehead in a tireless, thankless job, and I can't see why anyone would want the job.
Voting for a president is one way to keep the populous involved, but in reality the ones that really need the full attention of the voting public are the one's who's names are on the ballot running for congress.
The people we send to congress are the ones who influence our lives, much more than any president could.
Bob.

 

theres a zeitgeist 2!!! unreal.

 

It’s funny how political discussions get everyone to don their team�s jersey, go to their respective corners and come out swinging.

IMO - The last three presidents we have had have all been putzes. Bush I was a “new world order� Putz, Clinton was a perverted putz and Bush II is a retarded putz. Both our choices now are putzes. The change putz and the not-so-straight talk putz.

There s a lot of truth to Bob Hubbard’s post but it doesn’t mention the one thing that is the president’s most important job, something the congress cannot do, and that is to set the tone and direction of this country – to be a leader. The lack of leadership this country has had in past 20 years is unfortunate, and it does not look like it will change much in the next 4.

That being said, I have to pull the lever for McCain as the lesser of two evils. While I don’t think he will be a great leader, I believe he will be a better leader than Obama. I also believe, rightly or wrongly, that the socialist trend this country has been moving in will be furthered less by McCainlin than Obiden. I think that the unbridled belief that the government owes me something[/i] or that they are responsible for taking care[/i] of me will be the cancer that eventually undermines and destroys the freedoms in this country that so many have fought and died to protect. The concept of “the limited role of the central government� has been lost and that is sad. I don’t want to live in a country like France or Canada (no offense Jaimie) but that is where we are headed and have been for some time. RIP personable responsibility, rugged individualism and personal property rights, the fundamentals that allowed this country to become the great nation it is.

But alas, the election will come and go and we will get the president we deserve. I just hope the country wins.

 

Virg, do you really mean that? (a dog/horse/mouse). It must be a liberal thing.

"Don't trust the left wing, nor the right wing; because the bird is dead." Don't remember who said that though.
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Redhead live

 

Win, I think you need to reread everything I said in that post... in that sentence.
I was saying that becauseObama is HALF black (African-American to be politically correct these days,) or that his middle name HAPPENS to be Hussein doesn't bother me a bit.
What bothers me more is those that do seem care about such trivial details. That"s thinking that should"ve gone the way of the dodo bird overa Century ago, though I know it didn"t and still exists today.That makes me sad. A man is a man. Period. How a candidates hair looks or how well he speak to a television camera has little meaning to me. Too many put too much stock in those things as far as I"m concerned. They mean nothing as far as the job goes.

I believe we need a change away from the good ole' boys ('n' girls) network that is our government. I don't feel that change is likely to come from McCain, and am HOPING Obama is too new to be a completely part of it.
I also believe he is very intelligent and could make some good decisions.That he could represent our country in a way that is respected by other leaders and countries.Whether or not they are supported by the Congress remains to be seen. Like Bob Hubbard stated above, and as I have said many, MANY times myself, a President is only as good as the Congress that supports him/her.

Clinton was the most centralist President we had in many, many years, but the Republican led Congress hated him, tormented and hounded him instead of helping to find a solution to some of our problems as a country and world power. Do I think all his decisions were great?? Certainly not. But overall I think he could"ve been a great President. Congress refused to let that happen. I blame them for wasting resources, a lot of time and money tracking him down to nothing.
Did he lie? You"re DAMNED right he did. Under those ridiculous circumstances I would have too. His situation should NEVER have been put to a vote for the public, or even the Congress to judge.
His shortcomings as a man and as a husband should have been left to his marriage. It was not our business and I resent my tax dollars ($72,000,000 in all) going to a 2 year wasted investigation that had no chance of having a positive outcome for the country and in fact paralyzed our government, andpolarized ourcitizen"sduring that time.

 

I would have had much more respect for him had he said he did get the BJ from Lewinsky.

There have been many instances of politicians caught with their wick in the wrong place that didn't end their career (Ted Kennedy anyone....for crying out loud, he killed a woman)

 

We would not be in Iraq if Bush did not make the call to go ... yes, Congress gave him the authority to go, based on some ultimately false facts that came from who? The President's cabinet ... so I do think the President matters. Don't forget the President chooses all the cabinet members (subject to Senate approval, very very few nominees are rejected), which has a huge impact on the operation of the government, and in how and what information gets out to the public.

You can't see why anyone would want the job? Fame andmoney. The salary while in office may not be gigantic, but after you leave the office, you geta six figure lifetime pension, and you can make seven or eight figures consulting, or onthe speaking circuit. And after you leave office, as ex-prez, you can get a lot of resources for pet causes (think Jimmy Carter and Habitat for Humanity).