My new favorite tire for the Mazda3...
#1
My new favorite tire for the Mazda3...
As some of you know I had the factory Goodyear 205/50 R17 Eagle RS-A tires yanked off of my 2009 Mazda3 714 miles after driving the car off of the showroom floor. Prior to buying the car I'd read many-many negative reports about the OEM rubber, and not surprisingly they lived up to (down to?) all expectations. I found them unpredictable following simple maneuvers such as a lane change at 75 mph, and down-right scary near the limit. In addition, they were noisy and per the literally hundreds of reports I'd come across, their tread life was roughly that of a dedicated high-performance summer tire in spite of their "All-Season" rating.
The tires I had mounted back in November of 2008 were a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S (which I bought literally weeks before the new "Plus" model refresh hit the streets) which sported a Treadwear rating of 400 (the new Plus model has a 500 rating). For a total of 48,080 miles the Michelin's delivered the goods in that they dramatically improved the handling and predictability of my car and while a bit noisy, they were no louder than the RS-As they replaced. I cannot say enough good things about them.
During the summer of 2011 I started the process of shopping for their replacements in earnest, and due to the rather significant increase in price between 2008 and now, the Michelin's were knocked down a notch on my list from Top Dog to second; the Continental ExtremeContactDWS seemed to have all of the attributes of the Michelins but with better tread life and a lower price tag. A friend has a Ford Focus with them on and after a quick drive I became a bit worried about their handling; they felt far more planted than the Eagle RS-A's but nowhere near as precise as the Michelins; I cast my tire shopping net a bit further afield.
Enter the Yokohama AVID ENVigor; these skins also had great ratings for handling, life expectancy and price, unfortunately as they're relatively new to the market I couldn't find a friend with them already mounted to his or her car, so I decided to play guinea pig. I had them swapped onto my car this last Saturday morning and have about 220 miles on them at this point. Initial impressions:
The tires I had mounted back in November of 2008 were a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S (which I bought literally weeks before the new "Plus" model refresh hit the streets) which sported a Treadwear rating of 400 (the new Plus model has a 500 rating). For a total of 48,080 miles the Michelin's delivered the goods in that they dramatically improved the handling and predictability of my car and while a bit noisy, they were no louder than the RS-As they replaced. I cannot say enough good things about them.
During the summer of 2011 I started the process of shopping for their replacements in earnest, and due to the rather significant increase in price between 2008 and now, the Michelin's were knocked down a notch on my list from Top Dog to second; the Continental ExtremeContactDWS seemed to have all of the attributes of the Michelins but with better tread life and a lower price tag. A friend has a Ford Focus with them on and after a quick drive I became a bit worried about their handling; they felt far more planted than the Eagle RS-A's but nowhere near as precise as the Michelins; I cast my tire shopping net a bit further afield.
Enter the Yokohama AVID ENVigor; these skins also had great ratings for handling, life expectancy and price, unfortunately as they're relatively new to the market I couldn't find a friend with them already mounted to his or her car, so I decided to play guinea pig. I had them swapped onto my car this last Saturday morning and have about 220 miles on them at this point. Initial impressions:
- If I had ear plugs in I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between the Yokohamas and the Michelins in that these tires are very precise and handle very predictably when hot-footing it over our local two-lane roads which snake around over hill and dale. Said another way, they feel just like the Michelins (that’s a good thing).
- Given that I don’t in fact drive with ear plugs in my ears, the contrast in tire and road noise registered by my brain when driving my car is stunning; stunningly positive. I really cannot believe how quiet the AVID ENVigors are compared to the Pilot Sport A/Ss.
- So, awesome handling and no noise; what’s not to like?
Last edited by shipo; 10-17-2011 at 04:14 PM.
#2
GREAT!! A new tire to try when my Conti's go bald.
I had Yoko's on my Civic back in the '80p's when I was Auto-Xing... IIRC, they were the 507 series made unavailable quite a few yrs ago now.
They were OK, overall better than the BFG's that replaced them.
I think as tire manufacturer's catch on to a higher silicon content in the tread compound, that these "super-tires" will become more the norm than the exception.
Though they don't advertise it, I'm sure that's one reason I like my Conti's so much... and why you are liking the Yoko's too!!
#3
Dale,
Your friend w/the Focus should pump them up for better response.
OE specs for the Bad Year's were 32/32, as I'm sure you're aware. But the recommendations from the manufacturer are based on using the OE tires exclusively.
With the Conti's I'm running 38F/35R and it does make a difference. But as I stated before, I'll take the inspired confidence of not sliding off the road before a slight increase in handling. And with the chassis/suspension set-up I have now, that is not too much of an issue anyway. The car rotates pretty well on its own.
#4
Dale,
Your friend w/the Focus should pump them up for better response.
OE specs for the Bad Year's were 32/32, as I'm sure you're aware. But the recommendations from the manufacturer are based on using the OE tires exclusively.
With the Conti's I'm running 38F/35R and it does make a difference. But as I stated before, I'll take the inspired confidence of not sliding off the road before a slight increase in handling. And with the chassis/suspension set-up I have now, that is not too much of an issue anyway. The car rotates pretty well on its own.
#5
Welll.... depending how well they work out for you in the long term, I may be inclined to agree and buy a set myself.
BTW: I got a TireRack promo in my e-mail the other day for Michelin's, so out fo curiosity I took a look. In my size, 225/45-17, they were $206 ea. before the "discount." But I did find your review of them there.
#6
Welll.... depending how well they work out for you in the long term, I may be inclined to agree and buy a set myself.
BTW: I got a TireRack promo in my e-mail the other day for Michelin's, so out fo curiosity I took a look. In my size, 225/45-17, they were $206 ea. before the "discount." But I did find your review of them there.
#7
Yes, I thought so too. And with the discount being a $70 gift card plus shipping and installation to add to that, I was less than impressed.
But the tire does garner some very good reviews, I must say.
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